raymond frantz
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A Message to Active Elders Lurking on JWN
by 00DAD inthere are really only a couple of reasons an active elder would be lurking here on jwn.. .
[if !supportlists]i. your ever growing doubts about the organization have led you here, or.
[if !supportlists]ii.
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Planning exit, alternative venues to preach?
by Goodstein inbackground:.
i've come to the conclusion that many doctrines of the wts are unscriptural after many years of privately disagreeing with some of them but feeling that the society was "mostly right" and still being used by jehovah.
this turning point has happened in the last year or so.
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses a hierarchical religion? And does it matter?
by cedars inthis is the title of my latest article, which is available on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-hierarchical-religion-and-does-it-matter.
inspired by the illustration in the april 15th watchtower (above), i thought it would be worthwhile to further explore this facet of the society for two reasons.... because the society has spent decades criticizing the catholic church for being hierarchical, andbecause the society has recently become more open about its hierarchical nature than ever before.below is a diagram i have prepared which shows the organizational similarities that watch tower society now shares with the catholic church.... .
until recently, the governing body could place the "faithful slave" above it at the top of the pyramid, but as of october 5th this fuzzy doctrine was scrapped - thus removing the final distinguishing factor between the governing body and popedom.. as always, i would be interested in your thoughts.... .
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raymond frantz
It isn't a conspirancy theory to say that there is something really dark going on at the top !
How many Christian organisations would dear publish such a picture without Jesus
They are Satan's agents laughing in your face
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses a hierarchical religion? And does it matter?
by cedars inthis is the title of my latest article, which is available on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-hierarchical-religion-and-does-it-matter.
inspired by the illustration in the april 15th watchtower (above), i thought it would be worthwhile to further explore this facet of the society for two reasons.... because the society has spent decades criticizing the catholic church for being hierarchical, andbecause the society has recently become more open about its hierarchical nature than ever before.below is a diagram i have prepared which shows the organizational similarities that watch tower society now shares with the catholic church.... .
until recently, the governing body could place the "faithful slave" above it at the top of the pyramid, but as of october 5th this fuzzy doctrine was scrapped - thus removing the final distinguishing factor between the governing body and popedom.. as always, i would be interested in your thoughts.... .
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Did you spot the missing person in the original picture? JESUS
The true pyramid is :
1.Governing Body (GOD/MEDIATIOR)
2.Jehovah (Governing Body's puppet)
3.CO/DO's (area managers)
4.Elders (Police)
5.Rank & File (Ham harrets)
(Jesus not needed anymore ...you won't find him in the picture)
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666 and the Governing Body CONNECTION!!!
by raymond frantz in.
why would an organisation that knows so much about numbers and their use in the bible choose to develop their structure around the number 6?.
the number of the man -666.
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raymond frantz
I don't believe in this theory of templelijah but it strikes my as odd how many times they used the number in structuring their organisation
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666 and the Governing Body CONNECTION!!!
by raymond frantz in.
why would an organisation that knows so much about numbers and their use in the bible choose to develop their structure around the number 6?.
the number of the man -666.
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raymond frantz
THis is no mine .I found it here The Bible report when I was researching the Romanian Association of Jehovah's Witnesses (the largest organised Jehovah's Witness sect in Romania) that belive that the Governing Body is the Antichrist.This is the study of a Romanian brother who spend decades in prison under the communist regime and some of his work is translated in the above website
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666 and the Governing Body CONNECTION!!!
by raymond frantz in.
why would an organisation that knows so much about numbers and their use in the bible choose to develop their structure around the number 6?.
the number of the man -666.
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This is a page off the Proclaimers book and relates to the original structure of the Governing Body .They formed SIX administrative committees in New York and they repeated this process in every country where every Bethel formed SIX similar committees .All congragations then got SIX posts for 6 elders
Kingdom Hall Committee1.Presiding Overseer 2.Secretary3.Accountant/Treasurer 4.Service Overseer 5.Ministry School Overseer 6.Literature Department Overseer
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666 and the Governing Body CONNECTION!!!
by raymond frantz in.
why would an organisation that knows so much about numbers and their use in the bible choose to develop their structure around the number 6?.
the number of the man -666.
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Has anyone seen this ?
Why would an organisation that knows so much about numbers and their use in the Bible choose to develop their structure around the number 6?
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Why Did Romania's Jehovah's Witnesses Disfellowship The Governing Body For Apostasy?
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inthere is a large group of jehovah's witnesses that broke away from the watchtower society in the 1990s.
can someone explain to all the interested jwn lurkers and faders, why these romanian and other eastern european witnesses disfellowshiped the governing body in new york?.
i received a email from a member claiming to be part of this group, i was told they "disfellowshiped the governing body" for disobedience to jehovah god and not following the fine examples of brother russell, rutherford and knorr.
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raymond frantz
And this is a post from a Romanian ? who shed some inside light in this group a couple of years ago :
There are a several groups and individuals throughout Eastern Europe referring to themselves as "Jehovah's Witnesses" with differing opinions and theological stands. A lot of misinformation has been written about them, one being that they "only" use Rutherford's writings. That is untrue. Many use Russell's and Rutherford's writings, but most (but not all) will not use anything from Knorr or those after him.
One main reason for these groups is because of changes in Watchtower Corporation's doctrines. These countries were under communist or other governmental control and were out of touch with the Brooklyn Watchtower corporation. When they finally became free, they saw the many doctrinal changes Brooklyn made and were shocked.
You can get more information on a few other similar groups on our website at http://tfjw.org (True Friends of Jehovah's Way - True Faith Jehovah's Worshipers) under the "About" link. There is also a Romanian site for the "Christian Group of the Holy Way" at http://www.grupcaleasfanta.ro/ We are currently translating Sas Gavril's writings from that site to English and Slovak.
It should be understood there are many different groups such as these, with differing thoughts or certain levels of "strictness" or "liberty." Many are also similar to the old Bible Students of Russell's era, while others are more like Rutherford's group before 1942.
It should also be mentioned that not all who call themselves "True Faith" mean that they alone have the truth. A distinction has to be made, especially in certain areas of Eastern Europe as to which "JW" group is being referred to. Those who call themselves "True Faith Jehovah's Witnesses" or "True Faith Jehovah's Worshipers" consider the current Watchtower Corporation to be the "man of sin" espousing false doctrines.
Instead of "reformed", it is more of a "reorganized" set of groups, from the old days, before so many major doctrinal changes were made or discarded for others. -
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Why Did Romania's Jehovah's Witnesses Disfellowship The Governing Body For Apostasy?
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inthere is a large group of jehovah's witnesses that broke away from the watchtower society in the 1990s.
can someone explain to all the interested jwn lurkers and faders, why these romanian and other eastern european witnesses disfellowshiped the governing body in new york?.
i received a email from a member claiming to be part of this group, i was told they "disfellowshiped the governing body" for disobedience to jehovah god and not following the fine examples of brother russell, rutherford and knorr.
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